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03-05-2007,11:46 PM#51
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Certainly, Walmart does have its own branded products, and they usually are not "high-end."However, Walmart does sell a lot of name-brand products, and because of their efficiency and scale, they often can sell them for less than most other retailers.Wallmart sells the Essilor Accolade Freedom (sold as Nikon Eyes Customized) for $389. It is what it is. Originally Posted by OptiChick21I somehow just cant believe either that the chains are getting something better. Why mass produce and sell something that's "the best" at the lowest price? I would never assume that a shoe from Walmart was as good as one sold in a high end boutique, handmade in italy for 5 times the cost... The walmart shoe may good enough for now, but there's no doubt in my mind the high end shoe will last much longer...
I believe that often times, you get what you pay for.
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costs...
I dunno if we're allowed to be putting prices on here, but does that $389 include a frame too? Anti-reflective systematically included I assume??
We sell our Varilux Ipseo lens with Alize w/ ClearGuard for $380, but this does not include a frame. If it were me, I would prefer ours...
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You get what you pay for....................... Originally Posted by OptiChick21The Ipseo is our custom lens, and it can be fit at 14mm actually.
The WalMarts shoe may good enough for now, but there's no doubt in my mind the high end shoe will last much longer...
I believe that often times, you get what you pay for.
Simple mathematics tell you that a a height of 14mm your intermediate is about 4mm and you reading section a bare 10mm.The intermediate is progressive from the distance RX to the reading power...............and all spread over 4mm. At an addition of 2.00 you have not even about a 2mm spread to find a point at sharp vision.
Following that you have a reading segment with a depth of 10mm which Will allow you to see about 3 to 4 lines of the width of one column in a classified advertising section.
I dont think that you should be proud of having and selling
progressives that fit at 14mm or even less.And I believe that patients do NOT get the near vision for what they are paying for.
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I agree...
I understand what you're saying as I have never felt any lens can provide the true reading area needed at such a low seg ht like 14mm! (Thusly, wal-mart's at 15mm would be hardly better.) I try my best to fit most patients at 17mm or higher. But it's nice to know you can go a little lower if desperate, as sometimes the tiny frame they MUST have is all you can do. You just have to explain to them the compromises.
Plus, we do have some lucky patients with lower Rx's who have faired quite well with PALs fit at 14mm! It can happen.
We dont promise them the world for their reading room in Ipseo or any other new lenses, "under promise... over deliver."
03-06-2007,10:43 PM#55
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The price that Walmart charges for the NikonEyes Customized (Essilor Accolade Freedom) has been mentioned elsewhere on this forum. It does not include a frame, but does include AR (presumably Crizal Alize). Walmart only offers it in 1.67 index. Originally Posted by OptiChick21I dunno if we're allowed to be putting prices on here, but does that $389 include a frame too? Anti-reflective systematically included I assume??
We sell our Varilux Ipseo lens with Alize w/ ClearGuard for $380, but this does not include a frame. If it were me, I would prefer ours...
03-06-2007,11:25 PM#56
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I do not work for a chain and never have. Varilux products are not the best for my customers or my bottom line. And I know what my bottom line is because I own the place. Originally Posted by OptiChick21A little blunt and bitter sounding, yes. I suppose you work for a chain then? There's no need to be mad at us, the employees of the private practices, be mad at the reps then!
I would never assume that a shoe from Walmart was as good as one sold in a high end boutique, handmade in italy for 5 times the cost... The walmart shoe may good enough for now, but there's no doubt in my mind the high end shoe will last much longer...
I believe that often times, you get what you pay for.
I am a little blunt because you seem to believe what your Varilux rep tells you when the facts say otherwise.
I like to sell things that Wal-Mart doesn't have. As examples, I sell Nike frames, and I sell Trivex, and Hoya lenses. If I sell a custom Essilor progressive with a super-slick AR, well it just sounds too much like Wal-Mart's products.
And sometimes you don't get what you pay for, and that's the way I feel about Varilux lenses.
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ahh...
Oh, well that makes more sense. We would have to add on for the cost of Hi index 1.67. Originally Posted by m0002aWalmart only offers it in 1.67 index.
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wal-mart nikon freedom
hi , i work for wal-mart optical in las vegas and sell a lot of the nikon customized and it is now my lense of choice over the varilux comfort. included in the $389.00 package is uv,ar,a static coating and the 14mm fitting height.
we are also getting a new lense from nikon in april or may that the reps say in a pal cut like a single vision lens in the distance area and 3 to 4 times the size of normal reading area in pals. customized to the frame you choose and of course your fitting measurements and rx for the same price. i can usually sell this lense with a frame for around $450.00/ add $65.oo for transitions.09-08-2007,03:24 AM#59
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I can't tell you how many times I have TRIED to explain that to people. Originally Posted by Chris RyserSimple mathematics tell you that a a height of 14mm your intermediate is about 4mm and you reading section a bare 10mm.
The intermediate is progressive from the distance RX to the reading power...............and all spread over 4mm. At an addition of 2.00 you have not even about a 2mm spread to find a point at sharp vision.
Following that you have a reading segment with a depth of 10mm which Will allow you to see about 3 to 4 lines of the width of one column in a classified advertising section.
I dont think that you should be proud of having and selling
progressives that fit at 14mm or even less.And I believe that patients do NOT get the near vision for what they are paying for.
What they also don't tell you is... that 14mm seg is based upon 85% add value, at least in most lenses.
Yeah.... that 14mm seg hgt may work.... but just barely.
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It amazes me how much Walmart bashing goes on here... now I don't know if it's a different situation in the States than it is in Canada, but locally atleast, every Walmart has atleast 2 opticians, sometimes three. They sell probably about 50/50 namebrand/homebrand frames, and they carry almost the same lenses as well. As for qualified people, my mother, who has been an optician for over 30 years works there, as such I know the calibur of those who work there. Also as such, I get a little heads up when it comes to what they carry etc. Their AR (EZ Clean or Clear or whatever they call it) is Alize re-branded. We rarely have people complaining about the quality of Walmart glasses around here... the worst we get is people wanting something more higher end, wether that be frame or lens.
If you're Canadian, bash Sears. THEY deserve it. I know, because I worked there for three years. Horrible lenses (Ovation is their HIGH END), 90% Lux frames (makes sence, they're owned by Lux) with NO warranty. That's right, none. Believe me, people can do worse than Walmart.
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Different in the states, but you could bash Sears here as well. The calibur of walmart opticians varies, but for the most part since their pay seems to be on the low end they get the bottom of the barrel employees. This is from a state with no licensing or regulation for opticians you may find it different in other states. Originally Posted by AdmiralKnightIt amazes me how much Walmart bashing goes on here... now I don't know if it's a different situation in the States than it is in Canada, but locally atleast, every Walmart has atleast 2 opticians, sometimes three. They sell probably about 50/50 namebrand/homebrand frames, and they carry almost the same lenses as well. As for qualified people, my mother, who has been an optician for over 30 years works there, as such I know the calibur of those who work there. Also as such, I get a little heads up when it comes to what they carry etc. Their AR (EZ Clean or Clear or whatever they call it) is Alize re-branded. We rarely have people complaining about the quality of Walmart glasses around here... the worst we get is people wanting something more higher end, wether that be frame or lens.
If you're Canadian, bash Sears. THEY deserve it. I know, because I worked there for three years. Horrible lenses (Ovation is their HIGH END), 90% Lux frames (makes sence, they're owned by Lux) with NO warranty. That's right, none. Believe me, people can do worse than Walmart.
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Music to my ears!!:bbg::D:cheers::D:cheers::bbg::D Originally Posted by geoflemi can usually sell this lense with a frame for around $450.00/ add $65.oo for transitions.
Let's hear it for WM!!
Lowest prices Everyday!Can they make it any easier for us?(I can sell the same -with the same results, for $329, including the Transitions)
Life is Good...:cheers:
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Here in Florida WM keeps a lic optician on duty at all times (per state law.) As far as I know they are paying LDO's pretty well, due to demand. (of course it's a trade off, working nights and weekends, and being "beaten down by the man" ) Originally Posted by HarryChilingDifferent in the states, but you could bash Sears here as well. The calibur of walmart opticians varies, but for the most part since their pay seems to be on the low end they get the bottom of the barrel employees. This is from a state with no licensing or regulation for opticians you may find it different in other states.
(former WMVC manager, can you tell?)
That said, the patient still may get the "tech" who just hired in yesterday with no experience.09-09-2007,04:13 AM#64
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Just love Karens post's.....................Karen...............continue jumping maybe the soap box will wings and you can convince the Optiboarders at large even better. Originally Posted by karenWe should know what they have and what we have that is better. Or if it isn't better than be better at taking care of them and making sure their visual needs are met.
jumping down of my soapbox now....I have received some evidence that 3 of the largest optical corporations are having their progressive lenses made in the same facility in China. A factory with over 15,00 workers apparently supplies a large part of those corporations inventories.
I am waiting for more details from some inside sources to make a formal announcement which I should have within the next few weeks.
If this would hold up, what is then the difference between all the products offered to retailers.............and what differentiates between Wally and independent or chain stores?
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Wouldn't surprise me at all. Probably all made with the same molds from the same supplier (no names mentioned). Originally Posted by Chris RyserI have received some evidence that 3 of the largest optical corporations are having their progressive lenses made in the same facility in China. A factory with over 15,00 workers apparently supplies a large part of those corporations inventories.
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I wouldn't surprise me either, but are you talking about wholesalers, or retailers? Originally Posted by Chris RyserI have received some evidence that 3 of the largest optical corporations are having their progressive lenses made in the same facility in China. A factory with over 15,00 workers apparently supplies a large part of those corporations inventories.
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09-10-2007,11:51 AM#67
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Down the ladder.....................As far as I understand the corporations are purchsing there and then resell them under their own brand names down the ladder...............and ending at the retailer. Originally Posted by Johns.......................but are you talking about wholesalers, or retailers?
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Well I assumed that anyway... Originally Posted by Chris RyserAs far as I understand the corporations are purchsing there and then resell them under their own brand names down the ladder...............and ending at the retailer.
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It's the new Nikon customized lenses that are digitally surfaced. Originally Posted by bmmAnyone know what new custom progressive Walmart is selling. Had a patient take prescription to local walmart said she had to look in a machine to take exact measurements and the lenses were several hundred dollars. She stated it wasn't any deal in all her glasses were 600.00 but she says she can see better then any pair of PAL's she has had.
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It's ok - I wear a size 8 frame :bbg:
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There's some info on this subject posted in a previous thread:
http://www.optiboard.com/forums/show...=Nikon+walmartLast edited by Dot the Eye; 03-12-2008 at 07:01 PM.Reason: Content
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I'd say the Walmart buyer isn't that smart. Any lens that comes in transitions can't be digitally surfaced on both sides. Just like the Ipseo, it's a digitally molded front, digitally surfaced back lens. Originally Posted by Dot the EyeThis buyer was extremely knowledgeable about lenses,
The Walmart buyer said the NikonEyes Customized is digitally surfaced on both sides, which is almost verbatim language from the Varilux website description of the Physio 360.
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I am replacing a fancy lens set from Walmart. It is a Seiko Proceed 1.67 Trans with AR. Her rx is only +1.50 OU with a 2.25 add. She doesn't know what lens she has or why it is high index, or what an AR coating is. Nice sales job there!!!!:hammer:
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WalMart Does Sell Varilux brand
at least they did last year. I did some comparative shopping and they had a plastic comfort for around $200
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"If you don't tell them about hi index, transitions, AR and the like I can PROMISE you the people at Walmart, Sams Club, Lenscrafters etc will...they get spiffed on it. " :finger:
FYI Wal-Mart and Sams Club Associates are not paid any spiff's. They are hourly associates that are taught to educate the customer. We don't sell discontinued lens products. Our lenses are from Zeiss, Seiko and Esselor just like yours. The AR is Zeiss or on our Nikon lenses it's Crazal. I can't speak for every state we have stores in but I can tell you that here in upstate NY we have at least two licenses in every location and our staff is put on a permit as soon as we can. (Licenses are only allowed to have one permit under them at a time in NYS) In OH Licenses can have three permits under them so all associates are either licensed or on a permit. The only exception would be offices so busy that they hire someone to only do pretesting and I & R teaches.
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